It only took a certain amount of demographic turnover probably.

probably.And all of a sudden, like this is the popular thing, or that's the popular thing, like that's old hat.

But from a cultural point of view, something else I've noticed is that people who have PhDs, it's not just like they got extra training.

Like their brains either were fundamentally different or were fundamentally changed by the process of having your ass handed to you on a regular basis for years at a time, and having to defend your existence, not only from the point of view of the work that you're doing, but also like there's not many other fields where you have to submit your CV so frequently.

Like the number of times, like you're writing a grant and saying, "Can I have money? Here's my proof that I'm qualified to do my job." Right? Like that is a very normal part of this process too.

So we are very used to defending ourselves, [laughs] like defending our existence, defending our expertise, defending our arguments, to the point where your brain changes.

And I've noticed a lot of the times if I'm talking to somebody who doesn't have that experience and I'm criticizing them, my first response is like, "Why are they reacting so negatively?" Like, all I'm doing is threatening their way of life.

Why would it?