Mm-hmm.

So then at a certain point, it's like, okay, well, if we're gonna make something, what's worth making, right? Like, and w- with clothes, we both love clothes, and we've both been wearing them for a long time and making them for a long time.

Mae's been styling for a really long time.

I've been in d- the factories, right? So, like, we're coming with all of those perspectives and, and we're coming at a time when a lot of what brands were, were asking what was happening in my work life day to day was analytics, analytics, analytics.

What does the customer want? And in a way, that made us feel even more strongly that this is our point of view.

What, what we're presenting is the intersection of the things that we love, the things that we wanna make, the things that we wanna put into the world.

And if I did it alone, it would be different, and if Mae did it alone, it would be different.

Mm