and it's

as rough as ever so you know i know this is a bit discouraging but it goes hand in hand with uh how i think about stuff and uh it's something i i heard first time when uh when i was working at tv station so i was making a like kind of do-it-yourself camera, you know, that was a small camcorder style documentary on how we started the TV station because this TV station was starting back then.

It was a local TV station.

It was nothing big.

And I asked my boss, what is television? And he said, television is a craft, same as, uh, shoemakers and weathermen, you know, and always stuck with me this, uh, because as I get older and I do more and more things, I realize everything's a craft.

Like every little thing is a craft and we have a saying here, and I'm sure there is an equivalent saying in English, a craft is to be sharpened.

Um, so, you know, until you sharpen your craft.

Yeah, totally.