No.

Um, my team meetings always starts with a check-in, and the check-in is not about what you're doing, it's about how you're feeling.

And the more you practice doing that, the more you get a read on, we might be 12 people in this room, we're about to do some important work together, how is each person feeling? And I have learnt that if I'm vulnerable enough to say, "Today I'm a bit off 'cause this happened," you know, "This was the conversation I had with my husband this morning," or, "This is going on for me," or, "I just, I didn't sleep very well last night, so I'm a bit low on energy." If I have the, the ability to share, it's amazing how it multiplies.

And when you get a whole team to in a, within an hour of a three-day meeting, you can read the room.

You can get them to tell their colleagues how they're feeling.

It's, it's done, right? You then get in the coffee break, someone going, "Oh, but I'm really sorry to hear you're struggling with, with your kid at the moment," right? And that builds trust.

And I'm such a great believer that if you've got trust, everyone will be comfortable speaking up and contributing.

Right.