Can you talk to the Okinawa Institute and that concept, that experiment?

Yeah, so I had actually followed OIST development from the beginning.

I was lucky enough to know the people that started it.

And so I thought that this experiment model was, you know, most interesting.

And when it became 10 years old, it was actually, or young, it was actually showing that it had a fantastic interdisciplinary, basic, curiosity-driven research environment that was unheard of and that immediately in 10 years became one of the best universities and an outcome in the world in research, interdisciplinary basic research.

And so then, of course, this university needed to go through, if you want, teenage years, a maturity phase.

So I could figure that it's not going to be easy to keep this success if you don't really work to make sure that you have a good foundation and that you have really a resilience in the university and also integrate well with all the local, national and global perspective.

Can you explain what 4GU is and why you think it's important? Why are you putting your time in it?