Yeah.

As, as somebody who holds an accountability for, uh, for an outcome and bringing the resources together to accomplish that outcome, okay? Now, for me, that's, that's either leadership or the way you do that's in a way that leads or not, okay? But for now, let's talk about the leader, okay, as, as the role.

So if I'm an executive, what makes it to me? What makes it to me is data that can be quantified on a spreadsheet, a dashboard, a PowerPoint presentation.

That's what makes it to me, right? And that, that can be, uh, numbers.

It can also be an engagement survey or, you know, qualitative, but saying, "Okay, here's a theme." Yeah.

It does not make it to me unless it's been filtered.

It doesn't make it to me unless it can be graphed, right? That's the surface.

Yeah.

Do you think it can dominate us someday? Do you think it may

dominate? No, I think we're at a crux.

I think we're at like a real crucial moment right now.

And I think for a long time, we have really undervalued the human contribution.

And I've seen it for decades.

This is amplifying.

AI amplifies so much, right? And so it can amplify the good, it can amplify the bad.

That

What, what for you is our proper place, and how could those two intelligences work together?

Work together, yeah.

Okay, so this might be a little bit of a long answer.

You know, as humans, we, we don't simply represent a world, yeah? We, we, we're situated in one.

We have our place in the world.

We have something called placedness, and it's something that I, I speak about in the book, is, you know, re-placed, answering the call to leadership.

It's not just replaced.

Could you talk a little bit about then how we might see something like visioning and, and why context is important?