Tell us about that journey.

I think for me personally, like I...

As you move on to the career ladder, especially back in where I was, I think the more seniority titles, the better.

So you always had this, oh, this is my next stage or this is where I want to be.

This is what I want to do.

I didn't go down the different routes within you can take within computer science or whatever.

It's not always necessarily the developer, then going into managing a dev team.

But what's been the biggest difference in that shift to becoming a founder?