Overall working with the Senate, what has surprised you the most about your work?

Yeah, so in terms of, like, the, the sort of day-to-day work, I would say the pace of the work is what strikes you at first.

Like, coming from academia, it is very fast-paced.

Things need to be done in hours or possibly days.

You do not have time to, like, look up every source and do, do what a mathematician would consider, like, a, a s- complete job on something.

You just have to say, "Okay, I'm gonna look at these sources," and you learn what those are, and it's gotta be done by 4:00 PM tomorrow, and that's just what it's gonna be.

Oh, and by the way, they also only want it to be three pages long.

But with your current position as head of government relations for the AMS, what are some things that listeners might actually be surprised to hear that math has any government relations to head? So can you tell us a little bit about your job and what you do?