So I'd love to jump right into hearing your path from founding the Anxiety Treatment Center of Greater Chicago, leading the ADAA, and hear about what exposure-based treatment actually, what it actually is.

Yeah.

Well, I am a very blessed person.

In graduate school, I got to have one of the first people in the United States come to my program and start the first anxiety clinic west of Philadelphia, and he was trained by the founder of exposure-based therapy.

And what was so exciting and got me so jazzed up is we had people that were homebound, that couldn't do anything, they had severe anxiety, and they were considered untreatable, get better in a matter of weeks and months using this new exposure-based therapy.

And all exposure-based therapy means is someone is practicing the things they're scared of and learning how to face fear instead of avoid or get reassurance or delay doing something about it.

And then what happened in terms of founding my clinic was I was having the most wonderful time building clinics for other people, and I realized insurance and managed care was making it so they couldn't provide the ideal treatment.

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