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Karel van Vlielt
Founder and CEO of Gene AI (gene.so), an AI sales platform for real estate; guest on the Spiritual Rebel podcast.
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Sep 7, 2026
Turning obsession into 5 BILLION dollar sales /w Karel van Vlielt
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31:18Karel van VlieltGUEST
They are, I think, almost all fictional or celebrity characters in a way that I don't actually have a connection with.
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31:31Karel van VlieltGUEST
I think the first obsession I had with another person and the way they think was Muhammad Ali for me.
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31:39Karel van VlieltGUEST
And it's always this kind of hero's journey of where somebody comes from, how you then get up as a 20, I think he was 20 or 21 when he became world champion, beat Sonny Liston, the biggest upset in world history of boxing at that time.
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31:54Karel van VlieltGUEST
young kid and the only thing he screamed in the cameras was i'm the champion of the world and that's it and he believed that while it was factually according to all the newspapers impossible used that and of course i don't have to tell anyone that but then starts an insane history where the world is against him in vietnam war multiple boxing matches and later on just in the world and in life and he's always been bigger than life and then and then he hits whatever it is, 65, 73, I think.
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32:27Karel van VlieltGUEST
And he dies of Parkinson's, where the last 20 years, 30 years of his life, he almost couldn't move anymore.
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56:29Jessica WoelfelHOST
And this is what I see is the biggest pitfall and why the coaching industry has lost a lot of trust because people are so obsessed with making quick sales instead of actually mastering the skill.