Mm-hmm

... um, if they're not doing something, like, consumers are gonna know.

And it's, and it's gonna actually hurt them, right? It's gonna hurt them and, and what they're able to take home at the end of the day and their, and, you know, their livelihood.

And so, so I think that content creators are really doing something that I hope to see in network media and, um, legacy media a little bit more moving forward, which is a little more thoughtful, a little more intentional-

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...

but, um, but I, you know, I, I try not to sign up for things that are not done ethically.

So what I'm hoping is that we continue to see that shift that we're seeing in podcasts and other forms of content creation that are direct to consumer.

When you have this duality, how do you balance that?

You know, I wouldn't say there's concern.

I want to address a couple of things you say.

First is that, yeah, it was stressful.

I have always dissociated.

That is my coping mechanism of choice.

And I got to the end of this filming process and I realized I've gained 10 pounds since During this entire process, right? And how? How did that happen? Well, I was stressed.

Dark, twisty humor.

Mm-hmm

... um, I remember being in the academy and hearing a story that someone that came in, at the law enforcement academy, and hearing the story of someone who came in and said, uh, you know, told us about their really close to death experience.

And I think we hear these stories, and we think, "I could never." And I, I just Want to affirm every single person that is listening that you could.

That like yes, everyone hears that and thinks, "Oh, I could never at 15," but there really truly was n- nothing special that's inside me that's not inside every single person within earshot of this.

Like, we are created to survive, and sometimes we get in situations where our survival instinct is not enough to keep us alive.

And I was lucky, I was blessed.

I, like, I just happened to have a trauma response that worked really, really well for the situation in which I was presented.

... that we're dealing with things like this?

Did you feel similar?

I wanted to be normal.

I didn't want to be, um...

I didn't wanna be this girl that the bad thing had happened to.

I think that my...

I, I always think about it in terms of, my captor said, "I'll let you go, and it'll be your choice.

If you go to law enforcement, you're always known as the girl who was raped." And I come back to that not because I feel like he controlled my narrative or shaped anything.

... to, to understand when they speak to victims?