How much do they need to know about how AI work or AI agents, AI chatbots work? Because that would add a lot of things to what they need to know on top of the cybersecurity, the network security knowledge that they need to have, or the AppSec security or whatever it is that they need to have to apply for a job.

No, I think, Kevin, I think absolutely not.

I think we need to keep it even more very simply than that.

And I think that would make Will's job a million times harder if we become a cyber expert, and I want to be an AI expert.

It's just not going to happen, right? And even if it does happen, Kevin, there are individuals out there that are proficient in both facets, which is absolutely fine.

But you need to find a space, right? Because if you're firmly in the AI space, space right then i'm sorry your your cyber security foundational stuff your foundation your techniques are so so much more simpler but harder to conduct right because you're relying so much on your lm tool now if it's on the other way other way around where i'm laying the tools and all that giving me decisions giving me metrics then i'm going to an ai agent to kind of solidify that answer and giving someone to say, well, actually, I think that's the right decision to make.

I think that's a better way of putting it.

So how do we make the systems, the structure, the workflows, so that there is still a way to learn the ropes?