Yeah.

in a way that made me really overwhelmed because taking action felt more necessary and important than ever, but I had more responsibilities between work and caregiving, less time with which to take action.

I wasn't ever really certain which actions or levers would be the most meaningful.

And I kind of just became overwhelmed.

There's so many decisions to make in early parenthood.

And when you factor in sustainability, it feels even more impossible.

And what I was starting to see is We live in a society that has made parenting unsustainable.

It's such a great one.

And so I'm curious about whether what the journey was to find a publisher and get it out there and whether it was a hard sell at all.

I was really worried about that because I think in some ways it kind of had three strikes against it.

It was like an essay collection, not a nonfiction book of parenting advice.

Yeah.

An essay collection, you know, I feel as a genre is kind of hard to sell.

And then it was about climate change, which people aren't generally stoked to talk about or think about for obvious reasons.

And then also it, you know, coming at all of it from the perspective of a parent.

And, you know, and so talk a little bit about how you... how you kind of thread that needle in the book and also in real life between the the attempts we make versus the reality of it all and also i'm curious as a backup too sorry i'm gonna just like tack on joe i want to know about the dad's the green dadhood aspect of that as well but yeah go off queen