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Of course, yeah.

And the use of abortion as a contraceptive versus in extreme cases, including rape, is of course very different and it's a very nuanced discussion.

But the core of the matter is whether or not an innocent third party is going to be negatively affected.

The case of the death penalty is interesting because there are negative, there are third parties which are innocent who are negatively affected.

And actually, most of the time, it's the opposite of the guy from Green Mile.

It is corrections officers who face a disproportionately high rate of depression, anxiety, harmful mental health outcomes because they are tasked with administering the death penalty and basically killing people, right? And although being a corrections officer is not a light work by any stretch of the imagination, it's also not the same as signing up to go serve in a war where you understand that this is like kind of the daily routine is you're gonna have to potentially kill people.

And how do you balance basically the entire book of Numbers and Deuteronomy as a Catholic with what the Pope just said?

That's what I have a problem with, right?

Of, of, of course, yeah.

The...

And, and the use of abortion as a contraceptive versus in extreme cases, um, including rape, is of, of course very different, and it's a very nuanced discussion.

But the, the core of the matter is whether or not, um, an innocent third party is going to be negatively affected.

The case of the death penalty is interesting because there are negative...

there are third parties which are innocent who are negatively affected.

And, and, and how do you balance basically the entire Book of Numbers and Deuteronomy as a Catholic [laughs] with what the Pope just said?

So are you still working in the office then?

No, I actually stopped right as I took back up school full time.

And what's really funny about the controversy that ensued is Aaron and I both understood that this was going to be a short-term job for me.

It was going to be all throughout the summer, and then I wasn't going to be able to continue once I got back to school.

But everybody else made a fuss as if I had been elected to be president.

Right.

And what's even more ironic is the same people who talk about elections being completely impenetrable, that there are never issues with election security at all, those same people were the ones who felt that my being appointed was going to jeopardize the integrity of Utah County elections.

Mm-hmm.

the kind of pr- Islamophilic even, like, pro-free Palestine stuff, is that real or is that a shadow on the internet?

So I think it's, it exists certainly.

But I actually don't think it g- it really exists in the more authentic parts of the right wing, um, whether online or, or just in, you know, kind of the youth spheres.

It's certainly not in the College Republicans.

I mean, the big thing that I see is you have people who kind of co-opt and hijack some things that maybe historically appear right wing, but they end up not having any kind of ideological, um, actual consistencies.

And this is where you get people who really just are motivated by the Israel issue who begin adopting, um, this kind of ridiculous view of the world.

Like, I saw Jake Shields posting the other day, and I made a post about it, about, like, this TikTok edit about how Hitler would have supported Palestine.

And I believe a large part of that is because of their being demoralized by individuals with large platforms who tell them, "The reason you have economic anxieties, however justified they are, is because of this, like, shadowy, undefined cabal of, like, elites or pedophiles or Jews or whomever." And that's a really bad message to be telling young people.

Well, so you think that, okay, we shouldn't

shouldn'tIn order to have a, a common national identity- Yeah ... that's sufficient, that does what it needs to be done, we're not gonna say that everybody needs to be your spe- your particular religion, right? Right.

Or so- they're not gonna all have to be Catholic.

That's not reasonable, right? Well, well- And when, and when, what, what, you think it is reasonable, those really far right people? No, no, no.

I, I, I'm not getting what you're saying.

Are you saying that I would never say that? Yeah, you would never say that- Correct ...

everybody has to be one particular religion.

Any of these groups of people.

I think we can both call out bad people that send people

money.

I don't like people that say swear words.

I'm not in favor of people calling five-year-olds the N-word.

I don't know.

I'm surprised to hear that that was a ridiculous idea.

But, I mean, he's proved the point, which is that you can cut both ways with these anecdotes, but all you're doing is throwing darts at a board.

You're comparing El Chapo to somebody who has no criminal history, who comes into this country?

... of the 20 million people that came in under Biden, I have absolutely no issue with this guy.

Yeah.

W- I, I think the issue is, is not...

A- and I actually agree, there has to be a bit of a separation, um, between church and state.

Oftentimes that's misunderstood.

People believe that, you know, you can't allow your religious convictions to influence the way you perceive politics.

I think that's a huge lie.

What's that, dude?

We are looking at a potential 30 to 40 seat permanent Republican majority.

Well, what's so frustrating is the reason there's a difference between Florida and Virginia in this instance is because Florida's having to, it's have the governor's having to do all this effectively.

He's the one pushing this through.

Where in Virginia, they were able to literally get Democrats mobilized to gerrymander their own state.

And the reason that's interesting is because in this lawsuit, they're actually citing that voters way back in the day in Florida, like, passed some sort of anti-gerrymandering, you know, piece of legislation, and they approved and signed off on it.

I'm not very confident that if there was an anti or, sorry, if there was a pro...

Like, if there was a gerrymandered map that went to the voters in Florida, that Republicans would turn out in droves to vote for it, because it still kind of comes down to this whole problem that we've discussed ad nauseam, which is, like, Democrats literally think they're in a civilizational battle.

It is eventually going to pop.

But it seems to me like every instance she's on the side of the pedophiles for some reason.

Yeah, and look, that's not a good side to be on.

I'll just say the way it squares off, not a good side to be on.

I think another thing you have to look at, right, is the way that she's being media trained.

You can tell that a lot of her responses have been trained to say a particular thing, especially when it comes to defending the president.

Defending the president isn't a bad thing, It is a bad thing when the questions you're being asked have literally nothing to do with the president and are literally just asking, hey, why did you redact that name? Do you know who did that redaction? Can we get accountability? Which isn't even necessarily an indictment of her or of the president.

It's asking, who did that redaction? Can we find that out? And she still won't engage.

How do we come back from this, in your opinion?

Can the United States act morally and justly in the world while defending Israel? So, go ahead.

Well, I think, uh, uh, then- then rather than shift, I'd actually like to stick, Steve, to what you were saying.

I think that absolutely the United States does things that are not in the United States' interest, but are actually more so an extension of what the policy that Zionists in the United States and also the state of Israel would- would encourage.

And that is anti-Semitism laws, cracking down on hate speech and even making illegal the burning of a flag.

What flag was that? It was the Israeli flag, even prior to the illegality through executive order passed by President Trump of the burning of the American flag.

Why do we have that idea in our politics that it is okay to pass laws only first if they are in defense of a foreign nation? And to the point, by the way, that we're assembled around, this war in the right wing, here's the question.

There is a conflict in the right wing concerning support for Israel.

Kai?