Okay.

And so we, we made his record at the same studio, Riverside Studios in Cologne, Germany.

And, um, we recorded there, and Ralf, Ralf Kemper, who's-- who runs the studio there, he'd said to me, you know, "Just if you ever think about doing a project, we'll, we'll help you make an album." Just sort of loosely, again, very informal.

It was never-- I was never really aiming to, to make an album, um, 'cause as a drummer, it's not really...

I'd say we're usually sidemen.

And so it, it was kinda just gradually that thought was there.

It was floating, and I, I eventually sort of settled on the idea.

Oh, cool.