So, was, you know, skating in the Harden, skating in the Anthony Edwards, was that the reason you went with kind of the mid-top as opposed to, like, the normal, the low-top?

Exactly, yeah, the mid-top with, like, the sole design that we chose, it kind of, I was just pulling from a lot of different things, even the crazy eights, like, there's a lot of, There's a lot of, like, outside of skating inspiration from those, so...

It really...

It helped being able to skate, like, stuff that just wasn't in traditional skate shoes, so I...

No, 100%.

It was...

Well, I'm not going to say it was easy to make, because I was part of the design process, like, as much as, like, I possibly could be, but, like, you know, I, like, really had to, like, have...

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