If you think, like, the market for what you're doing is only so big, shouldn't raise venture.

If you don't even know what the market is, like, these are things, like, you need to think through 'cause once you go down a venture path, it's hard to get off of it.

I was like, "These are huge markets with huge problems that we need real capital to go after." But I've had o- other friends, you know, who've raised $10, $20, $30 million, and now they're sitting there like, "What do we do?" People are like, "Oh, you know, I wanna 10X my money in a week," and I'm just like, "Then that's gambling, that's not investing." So getting people to shift their mindset that, like, this is a long-term journey, I think is one of the biggest hurdles.

With Robinhood, you know, gamifying things, you buy a stock, they throw confetti in your face.

It feels fun.

There's that dopamine rush.

Give me both.

Yeah.