Was it like love at first sight or was it like, Oh, I can.

No.

And to be honest, for a lot of people, I'm going to be humble here.

It's intimidating.

Right.

Um, I guess what the pivotal point for me, and I even played around with Pat Goetz and I can, I'd talk about that a little bit, uh, nothing against Pat Goetz, just wasn't ended up not being for me.

But like, I go back to just, I remember the moment where I decided kind of like, that's it.

So that just gives you a painted little picture of