When does it go backwards for you? How does that happen? Is it just coming out of wrestling and dealing with real life? What happened?

I don't know.

I can't put a finger on it.

Honestly, I think it was just a disease unchecked.

Because I had gone, this really, to make it as short as possible, I started younger than I should have.

I got into the world of wrestling in 92, never done drugs, never drank alcohol.

I mean, I was 20 years old and I never partied at all when I was in high school or anything like that.

Well, I mean,

Mm-hmm.

And so I was taught to express myself.

Follow my bliss was my dad's big thing.

Follow your bliss.

Um, so '95 was that first year for me, then '96, I, um...

Yeah, so I c- it, it so is, it, it is tricky the brain, what the brain does.

Like, was that the year? Uh, but I then had, I guess that first year, '95, um, someone said to me, I think it was Robert Burke or somebody said, "You need a project.

Were you part of the opera, or did you kind of transition to other things?