I'm shocked at the jurors' decision." When the DNA evidence was presented, Justin, did you see any reaction from the jurors?

I mean, from the prosecution point of view, they were very clear, um, right from the out- outset, you know, that this case was about DNA, a handprint, and a confession as they saw it, or admissions that Tony Hayes made.

And on the DNA, this happened in a time before there was DNA processing, at least in, in Waupaca County.

Um, and, you know, over the years, um, they tested and retested, but at the same time, the standards for DNA evolved.

How did he know the barbell was in the room?

I think this is a really interesting point, and it's something the prosecution obviously hit hard at trial.

Um, what they point to is the fact that Tony Hayes brought this up himself.

He did not, uh, it wasn't like the investigators showed him a picture, um, of the bedroom with a barbell in it.

I'm shocked at the juror's decision." When the DNA evidence was presented, Justin, did you see any reaction from the jurors?

I mean, from the prosecution point of view, they were very clear, um, right from the out- outset, you know, that this case was about DNA, a hand print, and a confession as they saw it, or admissions that Tony Hayes made.

And on the DNA, this happened in a time before there was DNA processing at least in, in Waupaca County.

Um, and, you know, over the years, um, they tested and re-tested, but at the same time the standards for DNA evolved.

"How did he know the barbell was in the room?"

I think this is a really interesting point, and it's something the prosecution obviously hit hard at trial.

Um, what they point to is the fact that Tony Hayes brought this up himself.

He did not...