... um, explain why you think it's so important that Christians are informed, um, about what happened, uh, to Micah Miller and, and about similar situations.

Well, what happened to Micah Miller in some ways is unique in its awfulness because she ended up dead, and most abuse situations that I've reported on, I mean, rarely does it end up with the victim either taking her own life, although there's a lot of question about, uh, and the circumstances surrounding that, and I know there's plenty of people who have questioned whether John Paul could have actually done it himself and made it look like a suicide.

Um, but that, that part of it is unique because that it doesn't normally end in that, although I will say there have been, uh, abuse situations, and, and I would say this is adult clergy sexual abuse, where, uh, Micah was preyed on, I would say, by John Paul Miller.

And, and it, it, it is not a situation where you have two people who are on a, a level playing field when you have a pastor who is, you know, 15 years older than her and, uh, initiating what they called a relationship.

I would say it was adult clergy sexual abuse.

Um, but adult clergy sexual abuse happens a lot, and the s- the circumstances surrounding what happened to Micah Miller are not that unique.

It is not unique for, sadly, for these predator pastors to groom somebody under them, to do it over a period of many years, to begin breaking down the, the boundaries, and to do it slowly in such a way that they're unsuspecting.

Hmm.