some common themes you saw in the parents that you were meeting? Or were there any common themes in terms of like, I don't even know the right word, just their experiences, I guess, how they came into the NICU initially and how they left? Were there any common themes throughout the stays?

Yeah, it's a huge, it's such an adjustment.

It is not at all what you expect to have happen when you decide to have a baby or don't even decide to just that you are pregnant.

And it's not what you expect to have happen at all.

And it steals away everything.

Really important can we try not to let up, but it really does steal away important parts of those initial minutes, hours, days of motherhood where the bonding we try hard to allow bonding to happen.

But this, you know, in the little ones that are on ventilators, they can't be held very much.

Tell me a little bit more about that and where it came from.