I'd love it if you could share some of those incredible examples for us.

One of those is the Madan floating islands that are found in the southern wetlands of Iraq.

And this is a six and a half thousand year old system as far as we know.

It is a system of floating islands of a community that was once, um, half a million people before Saddam Hussein drained the southern wetlands of Iraq, uh, that turned that entire wetland system, which was one of the largest wetland systems in the Middle East into a desert.

That system has now been regenerated somewhat since that draining, and a lot of the community who were displaced have returned.

Um, but this community have lived there continuously for six and a half thousand years, and they create these islands out of a singular species of reed called the caspari.

And these islands float for about twenty five years.

How do you see that sort of braiding of those two things coming together moving forward in the way that you've so beautifully articulated in your work and in your book?

I mean, maybe can you get a little more granular and take one specific system that we should be paying attention to right now that might... help with floods or fires or a lot of the sort of pressing concerns of the climate emergency?

Yeah.

One of the systems, and you find this type of system across the globe in all different types of wetland contexts, it's an aquaculture system.

And it's not just aquaculture is fish farming.

These aquaculture systems, which are usually informal types of systems, one of them I'll talk about is the East Kolkata wetlands system.

This East Kolkata Wetlands, as you might be able to tell by the name, it sits on the fringes of the city of Kolkata in India.

And Kolkata is a city of about 15 million people.

What have you seen in terms of managing or stewarding land with regard to fires?

In your words, what is low-tech and why is it important?

Yeah, I think the first thing to explain is TEK.

TEK is an acronym for traditional ecological knowledge.

And that means, by definition, the cumulative body of multi-generational knowledge, practices, and belief systems of any community.

And in my line of work as a designer, architect, landscape architect, and an educator, I've I had been seeing within my profession a real homogenization of what we call technology and really a very US Eurocentric understanding of what technology means in the built environment.

However, I'd been always really fascinated with culture as I was talking about and had done a lot of travel being an Australian.

And really specifically had traveled to spaces where there was often multiple narratives or stories happening in that landscape.

What have you seen in terms of managing or stewarding land with regard to fires?

Could you share a couple of those examples and explain why you chose them?

Yeah, of course.

The first half of the book, it's quite similar to in terms of the structure, that it resembles low-tech, designed by radical indigenism.

And so it's this series of case studies.

There's actually 22 case studies.

That section of the book is also divided into three different water types.

So rather than different ecosystem types like the first book, this is water types.

So again, could you describe a couple of them?