about them i'm just really really interesting thank you

right so we will continue doing that and we um also started a program you know it's very important to work with kids and educate them and We kind of know that it does go back up to their parents and we get more bang for our buck.

But we do a Snakes Alive program from Nature Discovery.

That's all Michigan snakes.

And that is for all the fourth graders in Mason County.

And Jim does a great job bringing in the snakes.

And I get to be the assistant.

Muskegon and Ludington along the west side of the state.

How did you get involved in environmental activism? And how did a few friends of the environment form? And what can you tell us about that experience?

Yes.

If I think about when I was involved in environmental activism, when I was young, I would be outside and I'd be doing the recycling at my house and always cared about animals and things like that.

And I lived off the grid for a while and I learned a lot about nature and I educated a lot of people.

I'm a retired teacher.

And then in 1988, actually, My dad was diagnosed with lung cancer.

He was a former smoker and then a friend of mine and now Kate Lutschko.

I want to ask you if your group has had any concerns about data centers in Michigan or has any conversation about that.