don't know what you think Julia

Shall I tell a little bit about my background? So I grew up in quite a conservative part of the church here in the UK.

And I hope you don't mind if I use the shorthand phrase.

I was kind of given the message, sit down, shut up and put your hat on.

And I used to go to church as a little girl with a bonnet.

And I never thought that I, you know, like you said, you know, I'm this little girl as it were.

and um when I then my family moved and when I was about 12 um I went to a class a sort of Sunday Sunday school class and I was put in for the public reading of scripture competition and I won it and it was the first time that I thought hey I can do something.

Julia, I know you had a very...