university? What would I study? What would be the point? Everybody has degrees.

And I think it's important for certain jobs, like, I don't know, a doctor.

Obviously, you would like your doctors to have medical degrees.

But for something I wasn't sure about, I just wasn't willing to get into that amount of debt.

So I looked at practical things that I could do.

I looked at being an electrician.

All sorts.

Is that is there a particular thing that you absolutely love? Or was there a dream or an image that kind of made you think that is for me? Because you're so it sounds like you were so single minded about it that I wondered whether there was this romantic dream or image that that was behind it.