It's

like bong.

You know, I just can't see right in the face.

Oh, well, OK, don't do that again.

Yeah, that's a great question.

So on sort of the positive side, and this is a weird thing to talk about, like positive rakes, but there are things that you find you're like, I didn't think that was going to work that way.

So back in the in the legislature, when we were debating, adding different containers in and expanding the number of product types that were in Oregon's deposit return system or our bottle build.

A, can you talk about what was that bottle? It was a glass, and how did you design it? Or is it aluminum? And then also, how did you go through the process of figuring out that this is an interoperable design?

It's like, you know, I

just, you're in the face and you're like, Oh, well, okay.

Don't do that again.

Yeah.

Yeah.

That's a great question.

So on sort of the positive side, and this is a weird thing to talk about, like positive rates, but there are things that you find you're like, I didn't think that was going to work that way.

And how did you design it? Or is it aluminum? And then also, how did you go through the process of figuring out that this is an interoperable design?