Who is Charles and what did he say that night that really stayed with you?

Yeah, I remember actually very clearly.

So it was in 2011 and I, you know, taking the night off a shift, which isn't easy in the world of hospitality to go to this seminar.

So Professor Spence is a experimental psychologist.

He's head of the cross-modal lab at Oxford University.

And for many, many years, he has researched how the senses work, not just in isolation, but how they work in a cross-modal sense, how they come together.

And he's a foodie and has worked with many chefs before I'd met him.

So what's a finding from your research that most people would find super surprising?