Somewhere in that grind, when did you realize your story was one that other people needed to hear?

Ugh, that's a great question.

You know, and I wish I could say that while I was going through it, I knew that this was gonna become something.

But it definitely wasn't until probably another decade later when I started working with youth, and I'll say young adults.

I get to-- I have the privilege of lecturing at a great engineering college now.

And there was this moment that happened, and it kind of just was my eye-awakening moment where I was giving a quiz, and so all I was doing was just sitting at my desk, and I was grading papers.

And a student came up to me, and before they submitted their quiz they asked if I would look over their, just their answers.

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