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Joshua Wright

SANS Faculty Fellow and Senior Technical Director at Counter Hack Innovations; author of SANS course SEC504 and co-author of Hacking Exposed Wireless.

Oct 22, 2026

8:16
But if you don't have those communication or leadership skills, you're going to be really bad at instant response.
8:22
I talk to a lot of students that are like career changers, maybe they're older and they're trying to get into cybersecurity or they're trying to find what their niche or their specialty is, maybe moving from IT into cybersecurity.
8:38
And people will often ask, where should I invest time? And honestly, with AI right now, it's tough to know what is AI going to supplant and what is it not going to supplant.
8:49
And so I often ask people and talk to them about what their other skills are, not just your technical skills, not the code you've written, not the projects you've done, not the You know, data structures you could describe and, you know, off the top of a hat.
9:04
But what are your skills in communication? Can you write well? Can you collaborate and work in a team? Can you have a conversation with upper management? Can you take direction where a manager says, we need you to stop working on this to work on this and then not stop? Freak out about that because you know that the thing that you're working on is so important because you're so emotionally kind of tied to it.
9:29
It's funny that a lot of people discount those skills and I get to work with some of those brilliant people in the world, exploit engineers that have done amazing things.
9:42
But they often can't write.
Lee Neely
Lee NeelyPANELIST
11:29
And I'm thinking, are you still with, in the context of instant response and actually even in today's context, are you still able to create tools that help or is it really now digging and be human and get the human going.
8:16
But if you don't have those communication or leadership skills, you're going to be really bad at instant response.
8:22
I talk to a lot of students that are like career changers, maybe they're older and they're trying to get into cybersecurity or they're trying to find what their niche or their specialty is, maybe moving from IT into cybersecurity.
8:37
And people will often ask, where should I invest time? And honestly, with AI right now, it's tough to know what is AI going to supplant and what is it not going to supplant.
8:49
And so I often ask people and talk to them about what their other skills are.
8:53
Not just your technical skills, not the code you've written, not the projects you've done, not the... um, you know, uh, uh, data structures you could describe and, you know, off the top of a hat, but what are your skills in communication? Can you write well, can you collaborate and work in a team? Can you, um, have a conversation with upper management? Can you take direction where a manager says, we need you to stop working on this, to work on this, and then not freak out about that because you know that the thing that you're working on is so important because you're so emotionally kind of tied to it it's funny that a lot of people discount those skills and I get to work with some of those brilliant people in the world exploit engineers that have done amazing things But they often can't write.
9:44
They can't get out of the passive voice.
9:46
They can't communicate.
Lee Neely
Lee NeelyPANELIST
11:29
And I'm thinking, are you still with, in the context of instant response and actually even in today's context, are you still able to create tools that help or is it really now digging and be human and get the human going.
8:16
But if you don't have those communication or leadership skills, you're going to be really bad at instant response.
8:22
I talk to a lot of students that are like career changers, maybe they're older and they're trying to get into cybersecurity or they're trying to find what their niche or their specialty is, maybe moving from IT into cybersecurity.
8:38
And people will often ask, where should I invest time? And honestly, with AI right now, it's tough to know what is AI going to supplant and what is it not going to supplant.
8:49
And so I often ask people and talk to them about what their other skills are, not just your technical skills, not the code you've written, not the projects you've done, not the You know, data structures you could describe and, you know, off the top of a hat.
9:04
But what are your skills in communication? Can you write well? Can you collaborate and work in a team? Can you have a conversation with upper management? Can you take direction where a manager says, we need you to stop working on this to work on this and then not stop? Freak out about that because you know that the thing that you're working on is so important because you're so emotionally kind of tied to it.
9:29
It's funny that a lot of people discount those skills and I get to work with some of those brilliant people in the world, exploit engineers that have done amazing things.
9:42
But they often can't write.
Lee Neely
Lee NeelyPANELIST
11:29
And I'm thinking, are you still with, in the context of instant response and actually even in today's context, are you still able to create tools that help or is it really now digging and be human and get the human going.
8:16
But if you don't have those communication or leadership skills, you're going to be really bad at instant response.
8:22
I talk to a lot of students that are like career changers, maybe they're older and they're trying to get into cybersecurity or they're trying to find what their niche or their specialty is, maybe moving from IT into cybersecurity.
8:37
And people will often ask, where should I invest time? And honestly, with AI right now, it's tough to know what is AI going to supplant and what is it not going to supplant.
8:49
And so I often ask people and talk to them about what their other skills are.
8:53
Not just your technical skills, not the code you've written, not the projects you've done, not the... um, you know, uh, uh, data structures you could describe and, you know, off the top of a hat, but what are your skills in communication? Can you write well, can you collaborate and work in a team? Can you, um, have a conversation with upper management? Can you take direction where a manager says, we need you to stop working on this, to work on this, and then not freak out about that because you know that the thing that you're working on is so important because you're so emotionally kind of tied to it it's funny that a lot of people discount those skills and I get to work with some of those brilliant people in the world exploit engineers that have done amazing things But they often can't write.
9:44
They can't get out of the passive voice.
9:46
They can't communicate.
Lee Neely
Lee NeelyPANELIST
11:29
And I'm thinking, are you still with, in the context of instant response and actually even in today's context, are you still able to create tools that help or is it really now digging and be human and get the human going.

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