And I think that that's not actually all that easy because it's gray until it's not.

If I can respond to that just briefly, and Adam, I'm not trying to disagree with your approach.

I think one of the things that is concerning to me is that in pastoral ministry, we have a particular function.

I think in general, we can all agree that Christians have a An obligation to the ministry of reconciliation, as Paul puts it, between us and God.

I think if we begin to look at that from a kind of a biblical theology perspective and we're reflecting on Ezekiel's speaking to the dry bones and breathing in to the dry bones, giving the breath to the dry bones.

I have concerns about pastors using something that does not have the breath of God in it for pastoral ministry.

And so I'm very in favor of it being a research assistant.

Sorry, bad joke.