What are people paying you for?

Yeah, you nailed it.

So first of all, let's talk about the cigar business.

I never intended to open a cigar lounge.

I was doing restoration of historic buildings in our downtown.

One of the buildings happened to be a bank building that was built in 1905.

Small, 1,500 square foot that the city had deemed that it was unsafe.

are they still just entertainment? What should we do with these? If that's the case, what I just said, what should, what should we do better?

Was there a specific moment when you realized that relationships, not technology, not strategy of execution, were the real foundation of leadership?

Yeah, Ash, that's a great question.

I would say as a very specific moment, I had a...

A gentleman that was a bagel baker, local bagel baker.

His name was Mike.

And whenever I went into the bagel shop, he was behind the counter.

He was making bagels all morning.

Having spent decades in technology, How do you think digital communication has changed the quality of human relationships?

But what do you think?

Yeah.

So we've had three really big things that have happened over the last 30 years, kind of during my professional career.

Number one, we got the internet.

And I would just say, let me just make a big technology bucket.

So we got the internet, we got email, we got smartphones, we got social media, and all these things made the flow of information much, much easier, faster.

We just got really, really good at sharing information and creating tools that could connect people.

But you tell me when we're talking about relational leadership, just to make sure we're on the same page, like what is that concept?

We

grew that very quickly.

We ended up selling that company.

I spent about 18 months thinking I would be a professional golfer.

and also found out I was really bad at that.

So kind of a narrative.

You're going to see a thread here of Josh thinks he can do things and then ends up not being able to do them.

Can you give me a little bit about the book in terms of structure and format? How's it laid out?

We

grew that very quickly.

We ended up selling that company.

I spent about 18 months thinking I would be a professional golfer.

and also found out I was really bad at that.

So kind of a narrative.

You're going to see a thread here of Josh thinks he can do things and then ends up not being able to do them.

Can you give me a little bit about the book in terms of structure and format? How's it laid out?