The fifth column

I mean, you were already out drinking with Josh Zeps, so that's a bad idea, right?

should do it right now.

Yeah, pretty annoying when I'm high.

The guy who's really high.

What if the universe was in my thumbnail? Yeah, exactly.

That's right.

Because it is sometimes.

But you, you explained what it was like, what potentially was like growing up rural Queensland, I believe it was, in the '50s in a homophobic area, and you just painted this picture of someone who's just never been welcomed into society, has always had roadblocks at every path.

path.And you're like, "How dare we judge him? Look what he's, he's been through." And that just, that just got me.

Mm.

Like that, that extra empathy that you extended and the understanding of someone that so many people are feeling judgmental towards.

And- And to clarify for listeners who don't wanna listen to an entire hour of me talking about Alan Jones, I, I wasn't implying that the law should not judge him, nor that, uh, you know, morality should not judge him- Mm ... on some grand cosmic, uh, scale.

Um, if crimes were committed, then they, uh, should be prosecuted.

Mm.

Of course, we've, uh, still got Josh's letter, so let's leave everyone with that now.

I mean, he was sort of try- he was basically trying to say that-

that-You can't come to religion as if it's a set of facts, because it's inherently absurd.

And like, of course it's ridiculous for me to believe in the things that the Bible says, and I know that that's ridiculous.

It's not the slam dunk that you think it is-

Yes

... that, that, that belief for me is more like m- trying to under- It's...

Trying to understand religion by picking apart the bits in the Bible that you think are ridiculous is like trying to understand music by picking apart the notes.

It's like a, it's a vibe.

Mm

... into a story that is somewhat touching, somewhat profound.

The little Woody Allen character, uh, who is worried about, uh, what is the point in him living his life because someday the sun is gonna explode and it's gonna engulf the, engulf planet Earth and nobody is gonna survive anymore.

And his mom [laughs] says, says, "Yeah, but it's not gonna happen here in Brooklyn." So it's dealing with existential stuff, it's dealing with the meaning of life, it's dealing with what's it like to fall in love, and it's doing so all through this incredibly charming and beguiling fracture in what it means to make a movie.

Mm

... and he'll be talking, and she won't say anything.

And she will be, it'll seem like she's just giving him the cold shoulder.

At the time, he doesn't realize that she's having that anniversary dinner alone, and she's mourning him.