
Josh Thomas
Founder and CEO of Deniable, a Seattle-based cyber-physical security company building a deniable-encryption mobile OS (built on GrapheneOS) that protects journalists, activists, and NGO workers from coerced phone unlocking.
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Oct 19, 2026
What If Someone Forces You to Unlock Your Phone? | Josh Thomas, Deniable
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Mark KreitzmanHOST
Now, what you're saying is that the real profile of what I'm trying to hide, they would not be able to access that part of the phone.

Josh ThomasGUEST
So we, as engineers, like using software to build amazing things, but it really focuses on how humans operate.

Josh ThomasGUEST
generally speaking, if you are any sort of individual that has money and you are traveling in an unsafe area, again, going back to the fact that I grew up in Baltimore, I remember this well.

Josh ThomasGUEST
If you're traveling in areas that are not safe, you have any sort of money on you, and someone walks up to you and pulls a gun on you or pulls a knife on you, the first thing you need to remember is the worst thing you can do is pull a knife or a gun back.

Mark KreitzmanHOST
handed it back to him he's happy because he just got a a number of uh you know good looking woman and uh yep and she walks away and uh still like fourteen thousand dollars in literally like 90 seconds from him and and uh so i could see i could see a number of uh benefits to this now in terms of the usability because some people they're just afraid of phones it's like if i have to like Is it really hard to set up? So what apps, what's the app store? Does it use the Aurora app store? Is it using a specialized app store to be able to download these apps?