And Josh, when you hear Cole describe this, how did the two of you collaborate and, and how did you identify Cole's the right person that has this vision that you either share or that you hadn't, that enlightened you?

Well, I, I met Cole through, uh, Wisconsin Class- Classic Stage's actor studio.

Uh, he was a student and, uh, uh, and became part of the program and then became an actor.

And just, we had the same sensibilities, but we kind of thought in an opposite way where I'm this [laughs] crazy extrovert.

He's kind of a introvert extrovert.

I'm an extrovert introvert.

And we complement each other with, uh, our, our various- ... creative intelligences, and I've been looking for someone who could balance that.

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