Yep.

But I learned so much, um, by doing that, and it also made me a better musician.

I think that there were instances where that other guy needed to come out, and, and I feel like the confidence and approach of, um, my playing definitely peaked through some of this stuff.

But, um, my, my grandparents and my mom always, uh, encouraged me to listen to all and appreciate all kinds of music.

So, so not doing the Suicidal stuff on this stuff was somewhat natural-

Awesome.

And, uh, recording and writing a ton, and the st- the way that the music is evolving is really cool.

Uh, working with Mike Muir still through all these years on music off and on, and we decided to write a record a few years ago as well that we're still working on, and I think some of that stuff is gonna come see, see the light.