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Josh O'Kane
Globe and Mail reporter covering the business of arts and culture in Canada, and author of Sideways: The City Google Couldn't Buy
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Oct 6, 2026
How U.S. tariffs changed everything for Canadian artists, and Eden Robinson's new epic fantasy novel
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2:52Josh O'KaneGUEST
... became subject to a 50% tariff, much like so many other goods that are currently being affected by this, this trade dispute.
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3:03Josh O'KaneGUEST
They're getting questions, uh, from some of the gallerists that I've spoken with at the border as to what the origin of certain pieces of art might be.
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3:11Josh O'KaneGUEST
And, uh, it's just become significantly more difficult, uh, to, to get art over the border.
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3:15Josh O'KaneGUEST
And even if, even if a work of art isn't necessarily made in Canada, I, I spoke with a gallerist who had a Henry Moore sculpture.
How much AI music is in your playlist?
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2:15Cheryl SutherlandHOST
So Josh, we've seen examples where AI is used to make realistic-looking photos or videos, uh, but when we're talking about using AI to make music, like, how does, how does that work and, and what are people actually doing, and what does it sound like?
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2:29Josh O'KaneGUEST
So as has been debated over the last three years, like when you sort of generate something with AI, it is sort of taking little bits and pieces of whatever it's been scraped for the large language model often, and it is sort of recombining it into what you have asked for.
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2:43Josh O'KaneGUEST
So when you're looking at AI music, you're looking at music that has sort of taken bits of music that have been scraped by the model, and you are listening to a recombined version based on however good the service is that has been used to make the song.
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2:58Josh O'KaneGUEST
So as an example, when I was working on this story, I decided to just set a prompt into the, uh, service Suno, which has recently signed a licensing agreement with Warner Music, one of the big three major record labels.
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3:13Josh O'KaneGUEST
Uh, and I put in a prompt to say, "Could you make a song that sounds like Gordon Lightfoot that's about eating 100,000 pies?"
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6:40Cheryl SutherlandHOST
So how does this music end up on streaming services like Spotify or Apple Music?
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6:46Josh O'KaneGUEST
So someone just goes and they find a distributor, or they try on their own to upload this music.
How much AI music is in your playlist?
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2:32Cheryl SutherlandHOST
So Josh, we've seen examples where AI is used to make realistic-looking photos or videos, uh, but when we're talking about using AI to make music, like, how does, how does that work, and, and what are people actually doing, and what does it sound like?
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2:46Josh O'KaneGUEST
So as has been debated over the last three years, like, when you sort of generate something with AI, it is sort of taking little bits and pieces of whatever it's been scraped for the large language model often, and it is sort of recombining it into what you have asked for.
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3:00Josh O'KaneGUEST
So when you're looking at AI music, you're looking at music that has sort of taken bits of music that have been scraped by the model, and you are listening to a recombined version based on however good the service is that has been used to make the song.
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3:15Josh O'KaneGUEST
So as an example, when I was working on this story, I decided to just set a prompt into the, uh, service Suno, which has recently signed a licensing agreement with Warner Music, one of the big three major m- record labels.
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3:30Josh O'KaneGUEST
Uh, and I put in a prompt to say, "Could you make a song that sounds like Gordon Lightfoot that's about eating 100,000 pies?"
15 MINS LATER
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18:22Cheryl SutherlandHOST
I mean, we talked about money a little bit already, but how do musicians feel about that part of it? Like, are they concerned about what this means for pay?
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18:32Josh O'KaneGUEST
I mean, there-- you could look at the fact that more AI-generated music on streaming platforms, which is the predominant way that music is listened to outside of, say, TikTok or YouTube, and if more and more AI stuff gets on there, that's just they're crowding out songs that were written and recorded by human beings.