But I mean, isn't that his strategy? Isn't that what he's trying to do?

Well, I think it's, I think it's, I think it's interesting and worth noting, you know, so I was in Oxford this weekend, and as I, I, I do a lot of walking around wherever I'm in a city to try to learn that city.

And what I noticed is, in Oxford, like, people coming and going from the game, there was a whole lot of private jets, like, landing and taking off.

And I was like, there's plenty of people that have plenty of resources here.

But for some reason, uh, uh, psychologically, those of, of money have, in some ways, I think, stepped out of investing, uh, heavily in downtown Jackson.

So you now have this gentleman from New Jersey, Kumar Bhavnasi, who's bought up, uh, i- uh, hundreds of thousands of real- of do- uh, uh, feet of real estate.

Um, and, and what does he know that, uh, a lifelong Mississippian doesn't know? I, I, I can't tell you.

How do you, how do you get around that? How do you get around that, that, that racism that inhibits the revitalization of the downtown?

Kind of, uh.

Um, yeah.

Uh, only, uh, only architect to have, uh, received it, one of only three AIA gold medalists from the South.

Um, and his work at the Rural Studio was born out of his ethos that was that we were all better together.

And so he was working at Auburn University, but he went into Hale County, Alabama, um, which had long been one of the poorest counties in the nation, and said, uh, you know, "Architecture is typically something that is for the few, not for the many," and, um, started building houses not for, but with, um, the folks of Hale County.

That work goes on to this day.

Uh, and saw one of his students at that gathering, in fact, that, um, she now teaches the third-years to build those houses.

Yes, post-industrial would be another one