Like, how how did you get there? Yeah, I know

that's a loaded question.

It's a very loaded question, but I think one thing that I see happen a lot with entrepreneurs, especially people in their first three to five years, is they hear that word scale and they go to hire these people.

Now they've hired this whole team and unfortunately they have hired all these people and they're paying them to do the job that they're still doing themselves, you know? So- in order to truly gain that freedom and that mental clarity, you have to truly replace yourself in every single one of those seats on the front line.

And then after you do that, you have to replace yourself as the manager.

And then you should have a leader over the manager, over the frontline people.

But in order to do that, you have to have a set of checks and balances to make sure that you have true accountability and people are actually moving the needle forward.

So I want to end it with you guys telling me what is your version?

Uh-huh.

You know? Um, so in order to truly gain that freedom and that mental clarity, you have to truly replace yourself in every single one of those seats on the front line.

And then after you do that, you have to replace yourself as the manager.

And then, you know, you should have a leader over the manager over the frontline people.

But in order to do that, you have to have, uh, a set of checks and balances to make sure that you have true accountability and people are actually moving the needle forward.

Uh, there's a whole process to that.

But, uh, like long story short, in order to truly get to a point where I am saying I, I love what I do every day, I can truly move the needle forward and not feel like I'm picking up all the pieces as the balls drop across the board, you have to build it the right way.

Right.