Oh, yeah.

Could not stand it, and it was because it wasn't something I was particularly passionate about, just something I thought I should do.

And then moved on from there, went into some different businesses.

I worked in a restaurant, was a financial advisor.

I was in sales at a couple different co- companies, and then really felt a call on my life to go into ministry and went into ministry full time.

I went from a job, I mean, this is over a decade ago now, but I was making, like, $45,000 a year, something like that, plus commission, at this commercial landscaping company that I was the sales manager for, and I left that for $400 a month.

Right.

But what I love about the places that are around Black Mountain, Swannanoa is that it is about business, but the business is, in certain ways, just a way to facilitate the type of community they're trying to build.