How and why did you create Night Zookeeper?

Yeah, so it's for little me.

This goes way back.

When I grew up, I... love drawing i love writing i loved creating and my head was always buzzing with stories um and i've just never really wanted to let go of that part of myself even though I feel like the world is set up to try and slowly erase it.

The play, the creation is some of my fondest, happiest things.

And I would say, even to the extent that I sort of define myself by it, the ideas I had as a child, they have stuck with me and I still love them.

And that is part of my identity.

I want you to talk about how your product is different because all of my parents listening here, if they're familiar with the language of play, they're going to be familiar with me saying shut the screen down get outside talk to your kids take the markers and paper back out so i want you to bridge this because this sounds like a contradiction

How would you approach that as an associate doctor? I get asked that

a lot, a lot.

And it's not hard.

Again, we just talked about passion.

If you take just a few extra moments, for example, we'll talk dry eyes.

And you notice, boy, these glands are clogged.

You know, maybe they're incipation.

But for that doctor on chapter one and wanting to write a book, a story similar to yours, what would your advice be on just getting started?

Do you mind sharing a little bit more about that? Because that sounds very familiar in my house.

Yeah, of course.

I mean, I think this is, this is how everything in, everything in life that is hard is rewarding.

And we have built a world where it's increasingly difficult to focus on the hard thing to get the ultimate reward, and we're not training ourselves to sit on a task that we're finding difficult.

And, you know, that is something that we have to...

We can use what we have around us to... 'Cause, you know, this is a forever problem.

As I say, it is a forever problem.

So we drop in, they create their avatar, and tell me about the rest of the program.