interested you, so you decided to pursue it a little more?

Yeah, it was cool.

As the painting was kind of winding down, trying to find a spot in it, I thought, well, if I go back to a trade school, I can get certified as a certified PBG painter.

But at the time, I had all these ideas of how I wanted my bikes to look.

And you read magazines, you're watching Jesse James on the TV, and it's like, God, I got to be able to weld, man.

I really want to, if I can weld, I can take it to the different level.

So did the year program at WyoTech, which was ASM, their business side of it.

I'm like, dude,