Um, and I'm curious, Joe, to hear your thoughts about, you know, whether it's in the, in the realm of parenting or in the realm of, of pastoring, um, how do we navigate the fact that we are in, in fact, all of us, uh, sinful, fallible human beings who are, even in, even in smaller ways, hopefully not in the, in the sort of, uh, ma- massive catastrophic ways, but in, in small ways are going to be letting down, disappointing, and, um, in smaller ways kind of hurting those under us because of our, our sin?

I, I, I think so much of, of what we, we see passed on in ministry is first modeled in the home.

That's really where it should begin.

A- and why the home? Because the home and the church are the two places where these relationships, um, are, they, they, they forge- They forge something.

Um, a-and it's, it's easy to live by myself.

Um, I say it's easy to live by myself as a Christian in an isolated way.

But when you put me in relationship with other people, a wife, you know, husband, children, um, then, then I have to actually exhibit the character, uh, not just behavior or, or insulate myself from things.

But, um, what would be your Top tips for, for those of us who are in the trenches of parenting