How did you first meet him, Joe?

Well, after I had my conversion experience, Liz, I didn't really know what I was going to do with my life, except for the fact that I knew that I would be working for the poor.

I was being called to work for the poor.

And it was an interior calling during my conversion experience.

And a friend of mine that I met in my church, I was praying in front of the Blessed Sacrament.

And I was saying, Lord, I don't know what you want me to do, but I know you want me to do something.

And I know I'm being called to this and I'm going to do it.

Yeah.