Would you say that's the would you say that's the most significant point in your life?

Yeah, I think, you know, there's probably been three or four.

When you look back at your life, there's probably certain sort of junctions and roundabouts isn't the way you think life could have gone this way or that way.

But I think certainly serving in the military and experiences on operations like the one you refer to.

critical moments I think losing friends in combat as well on the front line people who you've served with you know worked with on a daily basis shared a room with and then you know they don't come home from from operational tours is something that that a lot of military personnel would have experienced in the last 20 years from Iraq and Afghanistan.

And that never leaves anyone.

I think about that every day still at some point.

So, I mean, with that in mind, where should we make next? What's the next big challenge?