And I wanted to also know that now that Parks Victoria is taking care of these parks, what does the transition look like and what does it mean for the plants and animals and people that wander through the park?

Yeah, so all the new signs are up.

So it's not State Forest anymore, so it's National Park.

And what it means is threatening processes like logging and mining aren't allowed in those areas now.

And that's really the only change.

So horse riding, mountain bike riding, four-wheel driving, all those rules don't change as long as you stick to the existing tracks and don't drive off into the bush.

which is the same as if it was state forest.

That is such an important and beautiful sentiment, um, to talk about Jordan and I wanted to know, yeah, if there is anything else that you would like to tell our listeners about the parks and where to learn more and learn more about your work.

And can you tell us why you believe 3CR and community radio is so important to support?

Yeah, how long's a piece of string, really? Community radio...

Well, for Melbourne, it's the heartbeat of it.

It's 3CR or RRR or PBS or even out my way we've got 3MDR.

It's where you can learn to speak your truth and get the word out about important things like your show does.

I believe that was well received at your organisation.

Yeah, absolutely.

That show was great because it gave the locals perspectives as well as Ben and the VNPA and the other groups involved feedback.