They have Swiss guards, right, for the security? They

do.

But I learned a trick from a professor that if you write a letter saying you're doing research or you're a student, they allow you to go in and go down into the tombs in the bottom of the, you know, underneath the Vatican.

It was fascinating to do that.

It's not much air down there because they're still digging it.

Coming up with artifacts.

Tell me.

I'm a writer.

[laughs]

So then I subsequently found out years later that the chair of the fiction department really didn't like her.

[laughs] So anyway, I got accepted.

It, it, it was great.

It w- there were 75 of us in fiction.

It was the biggest class ever.

So that was interesting.

Correct.

I...

even as a young child, I saw the hypocrisy, but you couldn't come home and talk about it, of course.

And then as an adult, I, you know, you're kind of indoctrinated into believing what you're told.

And so I believed my children should be taught the same.

So I didn't like the way they were being taught.

So I, I volunteered while I kind of was ensnared into volunteering and they didn't have enough volunteers and nuns have a way of entrapping you.

So I was entrapped to teach.

So what would you say to people who feel it's too late, you know, pursue something new?