Mm-hmm.

Um, and it was usually done within private equity firms by slightly maverick kind of people.

Um, so it was, it was a fun, really int- interesting kind of like new bit of the corporate world that we, you know, that we hadn't really seen before.

And then, um, qualified there, uh, in, in that team and, um, subsequently a number of years later, um, Marco again was quite influential in my career and said, "What about moving?"

Mm.

Work hard.

That, that is exactly...

That is point number one.