We will have him on at some point.

I will tell you, Grant is an absolute steward of this industry.

And I'm very gracious at all the time he put into me and this company and our ability to learn from the Cameco team.

But I initially went to Grant saying, hey, Grant, so here's what we're doing.

We're building a platform to deploy these assets, service the assets, train people, technology to enable people.

the deployment of these reactors, what do you think about us working on the AP1000? So that's where this really all started.

Where we ended up going with it was, you know, called the ball, one, we called that, so the company's three years old.

Lay out for me the long-term vision of what TNC could be.

Space, there's quite a lot going on, but the big question is, are we gonna end up with war in space?

I don't know about war, but the space race is back on.

This very much seems to be the vibe in 2026, and indeed has been for a while, whether it's between nation states or between big companies, uh, the race is back on.

Even before the Trump administration came in, NASA were pretty explicitly saying that for these Artemis missions that are happening at the moment, wanting to get back to the moon, it was all about a race specifically, fairly specifically with China in terms of setting up a lasting presence on the moon again and then looking further to Mars.

How does that all fit together as a sort of jigsaw puzzle?

For a long time, as you mentioned, and back in the, the, the first space race, it was very much nation states putting in the money, sending up the rockets.

Over time, even back in the, you know, the space shuttle era, that did involve contractors, so there were big companies that, uh, that an agency like NASA would use to build parts of its kit for getting people and other things up into space, satellites.

Then over time, we've ended up with these big players like SpaceX and Blue Origin, that's Jeff Bezos's company, the Amazon owner, that have their own completely independent activities.

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... or after dark.

Uh, and the suggestion was that pigeons, like other birds, have some sort of magnetic compass inside their body.

But where would it be? There, you know, some other birds, the suggestion is there's, there's some sort of magnetic sensing possibility in their beak, their eyes, even, even their ears like you mentioned.

But these researchers tried to take an open mind.

They had this half an idea that, that iron in things like hemoglobin might play a role because that's the kind of largest concentration of iron in our bodies is in our red blood cells, which, um, pigeons have as well.

Uh, and so they took little tissue samples from different parts of pigeons, and they ran magnetic tests on them in the laboratory.

Yeah.