Overall, talk about that battle, and then we'll talk about what could happen in Congress this week or this month or in the next couple of weeks that might derail all of that hard work.

Sure.

So the NCAA had had problems for a long time with the courts, and they kept losing.

And there were all these hints that there were real antitrust problems there.

with their approach because you have to allow competition under federal law.

And because they controlled the entirety of major college sports, they were subject to that law.

So everybody knew it was coming.

So what do they need to know and what are you doing to stop it?

Why do they get to, you know, get this dig in on their competitors through it?

The goal all along was to make this industry-wide.

Uh, we sued Meta because we viewed that as the industry leader.

Uh, we also have litigation going on with TikTok right now.

Other people are deep in litigation with Snapchat.

Le- less so, but some are litigating against YouTube.

Um, so this was never just about Meta.

We'll see them at trial."

Floor is yours, sir.

I really appreciate it, Steve.

So our view on this is, you know, we were bringing a consumer protection lawsuit.

The law gives us certain opportunities here, right? We were going to be able to get some money out of this.

We're going to be able to get some reforms to the company.

And the bigger piece was getting some reforms to the company.

We want to make sure that there are guardrails in place to protect kids.

What does it put guys like you who are at the tip of the spear of trying to get some order out of this chaos,

Floor is yours, sir.

I really appreciate it, Steve.

So our view on this is, you know, we were bringing a consumer protection lawsuit.

The law gives us certain opportunities here, right? We were going to be able to get some money out of this.

We're going to be able to get some reforms to the company.

And the bigger piece was getting some reforms to the company.

We want to make sure that there are guardrails in place to protect kids.

What does it put guys like you who are at the tip of the spear of trying to get some order out of this chaos, sir? Well,

Why?

This is the first time we've been able to actually work against the addictive properties of these platforms.

So the reason to bring the lawsuit is because kids were getting addicted and the company wasn't telling the truth and letting parents make informed decisions about how their kids could use the product.

The injunctive relief here which is far better than we would have got even if we won our trial, makes meaningful changes.

And it's for five to ten years.

We've got an auditor embedded in the company as part of this to make sure the changes actually work.

And this is the first time anybody's done that.

Forgive me, but this settlement doesn't do anything for them.

Uh, what does that tell you about the governance culture inside some of the large, uh, AI companies right now?

It's a problem.

Uh, you know, the technology's moving fast.

You get people who are so excited about innovation that they're not paying attention to some basic principles of, of caution.

I mean, the, the GCs ought to be there waving flags saying, "If you're coming up with policies for how our technology will interact with children, be careful." Uh, because Meta had some internal policy documents that were an attempt to put up guidelines for how to deal with kids intera-interacting with Meta chatbots.

But the, the rule was basically, you know, you can't provide explicit sexual content to kids, but you can provide sexualized content to a certain degree, uh, to kids as young as eight.

And the reaction of every AG that saw that was, you know, "We need to stop these guys." And I thought it was good to be able to send a letter rather than just file a lawsuitUh, because the companies are doing a lot of good.

What are your thoughts on this?

What did the jury come back today and say, and why is it important?

Sure.

So, you know, this is a monopoly that's been going on for decades.

This is one of the worst monopolies in America, and it was the Biden administration actually that started it with a bipartisan group of state AGs.

You know, on these cases, usually DOJ takes the lead, the states help, we provide some lawyers, we provide some moral support, uh, but usually it's a DOJ case.

And that's what this started as, and it continued into the Trump administration, uh, where we were helping, but DOJ was, you know, carrying most of the weight.

And then we got to trial.

Your, your, your thoughts on that and one of the arguments we're hearing from the, the corporatists of why these should not be allowed to go to juries.

What did the jury come back today and say? And why is it important?

Sure.

So, you know, this is a monopoly that's been going on for decades.

This is one of the worst monopolies in America.

And it was the Biden administration, actually, that started it with a bipartisan group of state AGs.

You know, on these cases, usually DOJ takes the lead.

The states help.

Your thoughts on that are one of the arguments we're hearing from the corporatists of why these should not be allowed to go to juries.

Why did you take it on, and what are you trying to prove?

It's a lousy deal for American consumers.

Uh, people have been getting ripped off for 30-plus years.

This is a monopoly that's been a problem and getting worse.

They've been under a consent decree with the Department of Justice since 2010.

The Obama Department of Justice let them off.

They've been dragging it out.

Sir, uh, is your ultimate objective to, to break up, uh, Ticketmaster and Live Nation, or is it just to get a better deal for, uh, for consumers?

Why did you take it on, and what are you trying to prove?

It's a lousy deal for American consumers.

People have been getting ripped off for 30-plus years.

This is a monopoly that's been a problem and getting worse.

They've been under a consent decree with the Department of Justice since 2010.

The Obama Department of Justice let them off.

They've been dragging it out.

Sir, is your ultimate objective to break up Ticketmaster and Live Nation, or is it just to get a better deal for consumers?

I think you had oral arguments this month, right?

We, we did.

My Solicitor General, Matt Rice, was up there arguing the case.

Um, we have an age verification law, and this is, this is pretty controversial.

You know, the companies are concerned about it, um, but if you don't know that the users are kids, you can't have the heightened standards to protect them.

So we're talking about companies with more data about their users than literally any company in the history of the world.

Uh, they should be able to tell who the kids are, and they should take steps to make sure that the pieces of their platforms that are the most dangerous for kids are blunted when they're dealing with young people, especially very young kids.

Right

I think you had oral arguments this month, right?

We did.

My solicitor general, Matt Rice, was up there arguing the case.

We have an age verification law, and this is pretty controversial.

You know, the companies are concerned about it.

But if you don't know that the users are kids, you can't have the heightened standards to protect them.

So we're talking about companies with more data about their users than literally any company in the history of the world.

How important is this case for the Supreme Court to get right?

So

basically mirrors the legal standard for obscenity and says you can't perform obscene acts in front of children, you know, really sexually explicit stuff.

Uh, we were sued by somebody who wanted to put on a performance and was told by the local district attorney, you know, if you break this law, I will prosecute you.

The guy said, well, I'm not planning on breaking the law, but, you know, you threatened me, so I'm suing you.

And, you know, it's all in the context of drag shows.

Well, there's a lot of ground under the term drag show, right? You can have Mrs.

Doubtfire and somebody dressed in drag, or you can have that just super explicit stuff that You know, sometimes the videos get leaked out of kids being exposed to really inappropriate things.

Tell us about this brief, why you joined it, and what you think ultimately will become of the decision forthcoming.

What are your thoughts as the Attorney General of Tennessee on the idea of a Tennessee kid, let's say, going to Illinois or New York or California? Do you think this should be something looked at on a federal level? How do you look at th- those kind of decisions, someone leaving the state to have a surgery that wouldn't be allowed in Tennessee?

So the Constitution gives each state a lot of authority about what goes on in state.

Um, you know, I've, I've certainly got very strong personal opinions about this.

But legally, you know, what we can do in Tennessee is stop stuff from coming in from other states.

So if a doctor is trying to send hormones into the state for a kid, you know, that's against Tennessee law.

We can do something about that.

Um, you know, there, there are certain laws that can deal with, y- you know, folks who aren't the parents, uh, trying to take kids out of state.

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What are your thoughts as the Attorney General of Tennessee on the idea of a Tennessee kid, let's say, going to Illinois or New York or California? Do you think this should be something looked at on a federal level? How do you look at th- those kind of decisions, someone leaving the state to have a surgery that wouldn't be allowed in Tennessee?

So the Constitution gives each state a lot of authority about what goes on in state.

Um, you know, I've, I've certainly got very strong personal opinions about this.

But legally, you know, what we can do in Tennessee is stop stuff from coming in from other states, so if a doctor's trying to send hormones into the state per kid, you know, that's against Tennessee law.

We can do something about that.

Um, you know, there are, there are certain laws that can deal with, you know, folks who aren't the parents, uh, trying to take kids out of state.

Uh, but there are still some really complicated legal issues out there, and I think, you know, I, I, I suspect that at the end of the day, this is gonna be resolved by the medical evidence as opposed to by litigation.

Did you feel that way also just even stepping a bit out of the law and looking at the larger culture surrounding this discussion?

What are your thoughts as the Attorney General of Tennessee on the idea of a Tennessee kid, let's say, going to Illinois or New York or California? Do you think this should be something looked at on a federal level? How do you look at th- those kind of decisions, someone leaving the state to have a surgery that wouldn't be allowed in Tennessee?

So the Constitution gives each state a lot of authority about what goes on in state.

Um, you know, I've, I've certainly got very strong personal opinions about this.

But legally, you know, what we can do in Tennessee is stop stuff from coming in from other states, so if a doctor is trying to send hormones into the state per kid, you know, that's against Tennessee law.

We could do something about that.Um, you know, there- there are certain laws that can deal with, you know, folks who aren't the parents, uh, trying to take kids out of state.

Uh, but there are still some really complicated legal issues out there.

And I think, you know, I- I- I suspect that at the end of the day, this is gonna be resolved by the medical evidence, as opposed to by litigation.

Did you feel that way also, just even stepping a bit out of the law and looking at the larger culture surrounding this discussion?